How did it come to this?
Published on May 9, 2004 By valleyboyabroad In Blogging
The horrific photographs released over the last few days that have stunned the entire world mark a new depth to which the reputation of the US has sunk.

With promises of more and worse evidence of systematic abuse, torture and murder to come , it is no exaggeration to say that the war which the US was always struggling to win has now irredeemably been lost..

As if this wasn't bad enough, with all the focus on these dreadful pictures of jubilant US soldiers revelling in their sick humiliation of defenceless people, many people haven't noticed the increasing number of reports that the US army is also using slave labour in Iraq, in particular from India.

There are those that are trying to play down these monstrous events, with claims that 'the US is not the only one' citing other reports circulating that Britain too is involved in prisoner abuse. But while the allegations of abuse by British forces, if true, are also to be abhorred, there is as yet little evidence of the systematic abuse that seems to prevail among the US administered prisons.

Others will claim that the sort of humiliation and torture that the US routinely use is common in many Middle East countries, why all the fuss now?

These two arguments, almost exclusively from US commentators, once more serve to underline the rotting stench that has bceome embedded in the moral fibre of the United States.

To be fair, these people do not represent the US public, and as Bush's plummeting approval ratings demonstrate, the American people are now waking up and reacting with the appropriate disgust that the entire world feels.

But surely this is just confined to the war in Iraq?

It can't be happening elsewhere can it?

But it has and it does.

Evidence of systematic torture is emerging not just from Afghanistan, but from Morocco, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. The US has been deliberately sending its detainees to countries known for human rights abuses in order to get the information that they desire, by whatever method, more often than not from totally innocent people.

In short they have been sub-contracting the torture of detainees to private contractors, and this picture is also emerging internally in Iraq where private intelligence contractors have been used to 'interrogate' prisoners.

Back in Afghanistan:

"The United States is setting a terrible example in Afghanistan on detention practices,"

said Brad Adams, executive director of the Asia division of Human Rights Watch,

"Civilians are being held in a legal black hole – with no tribunals, no legal counsel, no family visits and no basic legal protections."

It has now become routine for people in countries occupied by US forces to expect the dreaded knocking at or kicking down of the door in the middle of the night.

People are taken away, held without charge for months on end and tortured. Some have died at the hands of their interrogators, Bagram in Afghanistan and Abu Grahib in Iraq.

70% of those held at the Abu Grahib were eventually released and the full horror is underlined; the US had been torturing innocent people, just as Saddam did.

Saddam has been replaced by Uncle Saddam.

Such comparisons don't bear close scrutiny of course, but this is the perception on the streets of Iraq, and elsewhere in the Arab world.

'The torture is not the work of a few American soldiers. It is the result of an official American culture that deliberately insults and humiliates Muslims' (AL-Quds al-Arabi, a Lodon based Arabic daily newspaper).

But how did it come to this?

How could ordinary American men and women treat Iraqi and Afghani prisoners with such cruelty, and worse, laugh at their humiliation at their hands?

The answer I would suggest lies in the Bush's administration low regard for the law, of respecting the law only when convenient.

Over the last few years Bush has stated his view time and again that the law must bend to what the President deems is necessary. And so International law must yield to National Security, the American Constitution to his whimsical curbing of American freedoms.

And nowhere is this more clearly shown than in the showpiece of US flagrant disregard for the law, Guatanamo bay.

Bush decided that he would ignore the Third Geneva convention, declaring all the prisoners there, innocent or guilty, unlawful combatants.

This deliberate violation of the Geneva convention has cost the US reputation dearly in the eyes of the worlds legal communities.

Where once people looked to the US as exemplar in its unswerving commitment to law, they now looked on in disbelief at its unilateral disregard for basic human rights.

This disregard went so far as to refuse to hear claims of torture, as Lord Steyn, one of Britains leading judges points out.

At the time claims of torture were deemed faintly ridiculous against a country as noble as the US. Now we cannot be sure, and indeed must assume the opposite..

A second dark day in American legal history was to follow the shame of Guatanamo.

The Bush administration refused to be subject to the new International Criminal Court., put in place to punish breaches of law such as genocide and war crimes. It is now apparent why the US refused to be bound by its edicts, for by the rules of the International Criminal Court the US is guilty of war crimes.

But those Americans that would reply by sticking two pathetically defiant fingers up to the world should think on.

In the most radical departure from the law that has ever been seen in the US, Bush is now able to declare anyone that he likes an enemy combatant; that person can then be detained in solitary confinement indefinitely, without charges, without a trial and without a right to counsel.

People in the US shoulc now fear the knock at the door by the Secret Police,

These are not the actions of a morally superior, mighty power, these are the actions of the very dictator, Saddam, that the US toppled in Iraq.

In Bush's 2003 State of the Union address he chillingly announced that 3,000 suspected terrorists had been arrested in many different countries. And still more had suffered a more lethal fate,

'Let's put it this way: They are no longer a problem for the United States'

Again, something that Saddam would be proud of. No matter if those slaughtered were innocent or guilty, whether murdered at a wedding party in Afghanistan or beaten to death as suspects.

Three quarters of a century ago, Justice Louis Brandeis observed,

'Crime is contagious. If the government becomes the lawbreaker, it breed contempt for the law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself'

Nowhere has this become so apparent as in Iraq.

In the next post I will examine further how the US has lost the moral high ground that it once occupied, and the devastating consequences that this has produced for US interests.

yechydda,

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on May 12, 2004
Shade,

Listen Valleyboyabroad--I am not making excuses for what happened. I think it is sick and the perpetrators need to be dealt with--all the way up to Rumsfled if that's necessary.


I agree with this.

The fact that Rumsfeld sat on this and didn't see fit to either read the entire report or tell Bush of it, so they say, in my book constitues negligence either of a lack of interest or a genuine degree of incomptence.

I also find it funny that you can tell me what is going on in my country by reading what Rush said--who doesn't know that he's a right wing crackpot? Give me a break.


You asked me to provide annotated citations for my opinion and I explained why I could not easily do so.

I further furnished the information that my sources came almost exclusively from an American publication whilst being unable to provide the precise column inch.

Of course, if one cannot trust sources such as the Washington Post and the New York times, then how does anyone in your country know what is true and what is not?

I may not be from your country or in your country at present, but this does not negate my opinion.

I observed that there were apologists for the abuse of US prisoners (and in the original article British prisoners) the majority of whom appeared to be American.

A majority of apologists does not make the apologists a majority.

Therefore by citing Rush and TIme magazine I was merely illustrating that there are apologists, and it stands to reason that they would be mostly Americans because it is the US currently that are attracting most opprobrium.

Nobody likes to see their country attacked on any grounds especially moral grounds. There are logically going to be apologists for seeking to explain away any aberrant behaviour.

But, I'm sure that you and your country are morally superior to every American and America...well, that's what you'd like to believe anyway


You see this illustrates my point beautifully.

Where did I say that Britain is morally superior?

Britain is up to its necks in this as much as the US. An attack on the questionable morality of the US administration and armed forces cannot be defended by attacking the lack of moral fibre of another.

Okay, you attack Britain.

My repsonse is to attack Zimbabwe for its human rights abuses.

How does that make my country any more justified?

As I write this there are now people on this forum and elsewhere claiming that the horrific and brutal murder of an American hostage is justification for US brutality and murder in Iraq.

Such relativism only seeks to undermine the fundamental point of universal human rights.

Murder is murder, and disregard for the law is a disregard for human rights wherever it is found.

I'm sorry we've got on the wrong foot Shade, I suspec that we aren't actually too far apart in our thinking so I apologise if I have seemed overly aggressive in my comments.

yechdyda,
on May 12, 2004
Mel Gibson sure made a mint off his latest torture film, guess everyone wants in on the act.

Didn't see that one. Doubt if I will. Didn't see "Saving Private Ryan" either. Avoided the infamous "Faces of Death" films too.

I've been privy to first hand accounts of the atrocities of the Vietman war, the atrocities committed by both sides. Right from the Special Forces vets mouths. They did this and we did that. This is nothing new. To me anyway. There was no "Film at Eleven" then. It was relayed in whispers, in emotional pain, and with great shame.

Now we have America's Worst Home Video.

I say, show it all. Make everybody open their closets. Them. Us. Everyone.

To take the limelight off of us? No Johnny, not at all. To show man's inhumanity to man. And now the idiot women who joined in. (I still cannot believe that... Jeezy Jozey)

We've already screwed ourselves claiming to be of a higher standard. I think we gave it our best effort over the years though. I think some of us still try to uphold that. But as a group, maybe we've taken the highest dive off the pedestal. After all we are only as strong as our weakest link.

So show it all. Maybe in 200 years all that will be written about us is a shining example of how not to be. It's gotta start somewhere. It might as well be us.

Where is Chiron, the wounded healer, now that we need him?

(Really it all started with that damn tea, didn't it?)

Amon Cara, Mabsji
on May 14, 2004
Flowers,

They did this and we did that. This is nothing new


Absolutely.

Such moral relativism only serves to underscore mans inhumanity to man once we abandon the law and

Oh forgive me, you bleeding piece of earth, for cooperating with these butchers. You are the noblest man who ever lived in all of history. Over your wounds now I predict the future… And Caesar’s ghost, roaming about in search of revenge, with hate at his side still hot from hell, will in these boundaries with a ruler’s voice cry ‘HAVOC’ and let slip the dogs of war, so that this terrible action will smell above the earth, with rotting corpses, begging to be buried.”


Shakespeare understood human nature all to well.

But as a group, maybe we've taken the highest dive off the pedestal. After all we are only as strong as our weakest link.


And the weakest link holds the chain of command, right down to the those that carried out the immoral act of torture and murder.

We really haven't come very far at all have we, not when crippled souls that constitute the US administration wage war on a warped ideal.

It's sickening to then core.

Amon Cara Mabs-ji

yechydda,
on Nov 06, 2004
Well - and yes I WAS horrified when all this came out earlier this year - all I know is that, although I have heard of terrible atrocities perpetrated by both sides I believe, in Vietnam... That was a rather different situation, particularly for the Americans - though I don't usually make excuses for them - because they were isolated in a strange jungle environment and for most of the time terrified out of their wits. This I believe to be true. Whereas the American soldiers in Iraq - what a cushy time so many of them had there! Especially after the war was over. They COULD get sniped at, yes... But by what? By comparison with their own capabilities? Before they had a few antique tanks coming at them, now it's teenagers with peashooters, whereas, as I read in the British Sunday Express magazine - of all things, hardly a leftwing rag - the Americans have the latest night vision and heat-seeking technology, sit safely in their tanks and armoured vehicles, and just blow the "resistance" to smithereens like in a video game. (That article, by the way, made me sick - it's probably still searchable on their website.) It's akin to shooting infants who come at you with stones.

And my dad didn't do this sort of thing in the RAF during the Second World War! So WHY do Americans think it's OK to do it?? In a much less uncertain conflict?

Bah! I am no militarist - but yes I DO think it's possible to be a model soldier. A knight (though the original Crusaders didn't always distinguish themselves, did they? I mean the storybook, Arthurian kind!) rather than a - whatever this is! Nazi! Animal. Some people are just moral and others not - though there's some truth in the Stanford prison experiment theory.

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